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Here we have five questions that apparently show it is "absurd for a mere mortal to think that he can explain God’s work or compare himself to God" (annotation in a pro-Christian version of the bible):

Who has ascended into heaven, and then descended? Depends on your definition of heaven I guess, if it just means the sky (the heavens) then quite a lot of people have now been up and back from the air, and from space, a feat unthinkable in the time this was written.
Who has gathered up the winds in his fists? Meaning he has control over the forces of nature. Well, we may actually have managed that unintentionally through climate change, and even if we can't control them we know all the forces and processes behind the weather and volcanoes/earthquakes so we don't need to explain it all with God
Who has bound up the waters in his cloak? Again, we know the processes behind cloud development and we have the ability to cause a cloud to rain.
Who has established all the ends of the earth? Also, we know the processes that formed the Earth, so we don't need to explain it with God
What is his name, and what is his son’s name? I'm not sure what this proves, I don't know the names of most of the people on Earth, or their sons, but that doesn't make them God.

And apparently you can't add to or change the words of God, so all that stuff that noone follows anymore should be followed to the letter, it really is all or nothing with this scripture stuff, otherwise you are a liar.

I guess every generation since records began has been rebellious against their parents: There is a generation who curse their fathers and do not bless their mothers.

The rest of Proverb 30 is made up of various lists, we have things that a particular sage can't understand or finds so wondrous that they must be from God, and then some small but amazing things (apparently ants have no strength, in fact they can each carry many times their own body weight), and finally some magnificent animals, similar to a king with his army.

Apparently it is a good thing to give needy people strong drinks so they can forget their sorrows, but also speaking up on their behalf.

Now a list of virtues that are very hard to find in a woman, this woman sounds very independent (growing a vineyard from her own income) and respected in her community and she runs an efficient and loving household while her husband sits with the elders. It's not clear why she needs this husband of hers, especially as she is to get credit for her own work.

Looks like I made up for yesterday's entry!
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Nothing much new in these, as with previous chapters, there is one line about something that is as bad as a quarrelsome wife.

Sorry, not feeling well today, and the proverbs have all merged together so I may have missed something...
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Proverb 24 has a lot of very good advice, it says you should save people who are heading for death, tells you not to engage in schadenfreude, and says that falsely saying a guilty person is innocent is wrong. It also tells the reader not to seek revenge, not to do back to someone what he has done to you (did we already have that part of the bible about seeking an eye for an eye, or do I just know that from elsewhere - either way this is opposite advice).

Proverb 25 continues with the legal advice and warns against rushing into action against a neighbour in case you lose face.

Also it advises against the over eating of honey (while also using eating honey as a metaphor for acquiring wisdom, so I guess you can have too much knowledge?), and visiting your neighbour so much he gets fed up with you.

We should be nice to our enemies because then they will feel bad about being our enemies, that seems like a fair point, some who comment here would do well to remember it perhaps (although enemies is a little strong in the context of my blog!)

Something else to remember, arguing with a fool at their level just makes you look foolish too. Though in the context of a debate about the bible the fool in the debate is a matter of perspective.

We are also warned that trying to make traps and attempting to destroy others will come back on us.
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Some clarification at the start of 22 on the topic of my confusion yesterday, it does seem that the verse meant that integrity is better than being rich. Which I'd agree with.

22:6 could just be about teaching children right from wrong, but also sounds like a tip for indoctrination as it says children taught a 'way to go' will continue to go that way when adults. Also, you should beat any foolishness out of them.

23 is mostly repeats of previous chapters, we have another warning against binge drinking, more about corporal punishment and we hear again about those scary strange women who will prey on unsuspecting men.
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It is better to be poor & shunned by friends and family (because they don't like poor people) and have integrety than to be wealthy and loved by all for being generous. Sorry, can't get my head around that one, why would anyone shun an otherwise good person just because they were poor?

A warning against binge drinking.

Provoking a king to anger is a sin, but I'm sure the king's own wrath is a sin in itself.

God made ears to hear and eyes to see, why did he do such a shoddy job then.

"Beatings and wounds cleanse away evil, and floggings cleanse the innermost being." God likes BDSM!

A certain amount of truth in 21:2, people normally do see themselves as being in the right.

Making your fortune through lying is a sin, that's for sure.

These proverbs feel so jumbled up, some verses are repeated several times worded slightly differently and most are pretty much saying the same thing. This book could've been shorter.
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OK, all of you who were telling me that God didn't make wicked/evil people, that it's just our choices that lead us to wicked paths, what about 16:4? "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." or "The Lord works everything for its own endst – even the wicked for the day of disaster." So God made wicked people that way, but punishes them anyway.

Kings seem to have the same demands as God, funny that...

Apparently, that 'pride goes before a fall' saying is a slight paraphrase of 16:18

17:28 could also be "It's better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it."

I couldn't see anything new to pick out of Proverb 18, some of it is good, though common sense, advice.
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Biblical justification for corporal punishment in Proverb 13:24. God-endorsed abuse of the children you love.

I've been trying not to point out the same things as the SAB, but this one amused me, Proverb 14:15 "The simple believeth every word" or "A naive person believes everything" as the 'bad' side of the verse. Surely this is required in order for a religion to have followers?

Proverb 15 seems to be listing the seven deadly sins in a roundabout way, I've spotted sloth, greed, wrath & pride at least.
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Why is a good son a joy to his father but a bad son causes grief for his mother? I guess the father says 'my son' when he's proud and 'your son' when he's not happy with him.

We haven't had a good abomination recently, apparently you should not cheat people with inaccurate scales because God hates it, not because it is just wrong to be dishonest in business.

And then we have a list which basically repeats 'good people are good, wicked people are wicked' over and again using several examples.

I wouldn't disagree with a lot of these examples of good and bad behaviour, though the proclamation that the righteous will live and wickedness leads to death is not even slightly true.
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More warnings to men to not be seduced by the wiles of married women because when the women are lonely they'll throw themselves at any man that walks past. Yeah, I'm sure that no married man was ever the initiator in an adulterous act.

Wisdom tells us how great she is, and that seeking her is better than so many other things (I guess wisdom isn't a married woman then!)

Are women really one of the things that we need to be constantly warned about? Particularly foolish women (who probably aren't allowed or thought able to gain that wonderful wisdom we heard so much about). The writers of these verses were either women hating or women fearing, either way it's not a good and healthy view to be promoting.
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Wisdom and instruction are female apparently, and both should be sought or followed in order to gain glory and get plenty of sleep.

There is a truly evil woman who shouldn't be sought and you should avoid being seduced by because she will drag you to hell, and that is a strange woman, or one that isn't your wife. Your wife should be enough to satisfy you if you want to avoid a horrible punishment (rather than, y'know, it just being right to be faithful).

There are 6 (or 7, the bible's not sure) bad behaviours that God particularly hates, which range from those I'd agree with him on like shedding innocent blood and speaking lies to spread discord, to ones that don't seem like they are actually worth the same punishments like looking proud and coming up with evil plans (it doesn't say anything about going through with them).
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I'm not dividing these up like I did with the Psalms as they seem to run together more.

'Let us all have one purse' sounds like a good Marxist proclamation.

Aside from that, we have lots of rules and warning of the consequences of not following as usual.

Seeking knowledge and understanding will only lead to getting those things from God, really? In fact it goes so far as to claim that your own understanding is not to be relied upon. But then apparently: "Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding." which in a non-biblical context I'd agree with.

The son this is all addressed to is then told to be merciful and truthful in order to find favour in the sight of God and man, so sometimes the opinions of people matter.

A good bit of "do unto others" advice to end on, I think we've already had some discussions on previous posts about how reciprocal altruism is what makes human society work and that it has been part of our evolutionary history for many thousands of years before these rules were apparently devised by God.

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