1 Corinthians 1-4

[wolfpurplemoon]

God has made the wisdom of the world foolish because it doesn't know God, and even at his most foolish he is wiser than any human wisdom.

The followers are being told not to exalt particular church leaders but to all follow Jesus, they must learn to not go beyond what is written.

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The wisdom of man

[(Anonymous)]

It stands to reason that if there is a God who created all there is, then all that is a part of that creation could never be more than the Creator. Therefore, this Creator could only be observed as unlimited by the creation due to its inherent limitations respectively and holistically. So, we don't follow man, nor his institutions, but stick to the Creator. If in fact this Creator has sought to communicate with his creation, it would have to be in relevant format to the limitations of the creation while still maintaining the signature of the Creator, therefore, not being completely within the grasp of the creation and still conveying the essential message. Then it stands to reason any institution filled with man, no matter how noble the original purpose may have been, will certainly experience corruption cycles through the struggle to both control (human nature) and let go of that control (trust the Creator over the created).
The best man (or woman) can be a poor example of his Creator by comparison, though much of the Creator can be identified and learned from in all parts of the creation.
Tim

Re: The wisdom of man

[wolfpurplemoon]

It seems to me that that point of view diminishes the achievements of humanity, if there was a creator we should aspire to be better than him and not to just accept that he's always going to be better than us.

Re: The wisdom of man

[(Anonymous)]

Well I would argue the logic there in the creation becoming more than the creator. Would not the creation be a substance of the creator, and therefore never more? However, I would never discourage aspiration. Furthermore, my belief is not so fatal, but instead adheres to a Creator that has made the possibilities of existence greater than we will achieve, but more than we can imagine. That may sound limiting. But for my part, I say never stop striving. There is more to life than the bounds we seek for it within the realms of understanding creation by a Creator who, at very least, would seem boundless. This latter part not being an argument of purely logical discourse, but rather a point of personal faith arrived at by such; a leap if you will, only after enough convincing evidence to dare the jump.
Tim

Re: The wisdom of man

[(Anonymous)]

I think that this point of view is actually insulting to the innate character of the Creator. A clay pot could never achieve more than the potter. Suppose (for argument's sake) that the pot could achieve great things and even have the ability to perceive the potter. Any great things that the pot achieves are only possible because the potter brought the pot into existence to begin with. It is impossible for the pot to ever achieve more than the potter (intrinsically) and seems a noble, yet foolish, task to attempt.
Another example, however, only a product of my finite mind, would be a student teacher relationship. The student can never be greater than the teacher because it is only at the hand of the teacher that the student can boast knowledge to begin with. I hope some of this makes at least little sense.

Re: The wisdom of man

[wolfpurplemoon]

That's ridiculous, of course a student can become greater than their teacher, that's what human progress is!!

Re: The wisdom of man

[(Anonymous)]

I agree! I think we have all heard the student becomes the teacher.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is a healthy conversation. I am a believer in God. I think the first comment here is making a good point. I think the journals owner is making good points. It's not like I'm upset with the non believers point of view. I would just like to point out that you seem to be doing something you believe in. You seem to have a cause and a conviction. I feel you there. However I hope that you will really consider where I'm coming from. You state by not believing that you have your facts straight and we that believe dont. However I don't see the Bible the way you do. Other believers may not see it the way I do. I just want to make you aware that what you say the Bible does or doesn't say is so varied and faraway from what I see there is no way you can validate your reading into of it. Your site here is formatted so that I read the location in the bible you read and then seemingly precisely what it says. To me that is not the way I would do it. Just wanted to give my impression. That's to say that's how I read into things.

[wolfpurplemoon]

I don't quite understand what you mean by how my site is formatted? The way I have been writing my posts here is to type up my interpretation of what I'm reading as I go, if that means I've written exactly what the bible meant then I guess I got it right? The parts I've decided to write about are usually verses I either disagree with, find silly or actually find agreeable.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the point the person above you was making is, are you reading and understanding as a whole? Taking account of what a person does daily you know some things about their behavior but do you know the thoughts, the processes going on? A scientific way to look at a persons behavior (psychology) would take the collection of what you learned and test your hypothesis at the end. From reading your post I see a manipulation of data so to speak to support your views. What are your controls as you read to understand?
It shows you have read but is it objectivite? Your post seem biased . you know more than you did before but have you understood the whole message? What God wants to say summed up is this, I love you. Jesus is the way to me.... at least have a open mind and think about it. The refuter at heart doesn't even take into consideration. No matter what side they are on