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I always thought it was odd to use 'fell asleep' as a euphemism for death, here Paul uses it when he's talking about witnesses to Jesus' resurrection. Apparently believers expect to one day 'wake up' from death.

That Paul's a perceptive one, he says that if there is no resurrection of the dead then Christ cannot have been raised, making the preaching futile and the preachers false witnesses against God.

When the dead are resurrected they will have a heavenly body, different from their earthly body as the flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Paul ends with a request for money for the saints in Jerusalem and some details of his travel plans before wishing a curse on those with no love for the Lord.

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From: (Anonymous)

I find your comment very interesting. Paul not only said that if Jesus was not risen from the dead, believers are false witnesses (against God of all things..wow heavy charge) but also goes on to state that if a believer's hope is in Jesus (and he did not resurrect) they are of all men, most miserable. Paul knew what was at stake if he was wrong. Yet he and all the believers in his time put their lives on the line for this. Why? What benefit? What is your opinion on the reason these early believers were so bold? Would someone put their life at risk for a lie? Or were they really a witness to truth?

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would someone put their lives at risk for a lie?

ask the suicide bombers,,,,, so is muslim faith the truth?

From: (Anonymous)

I posted the question and I thank you for your perspective, however, I think that yours is a faulty comparison. In one hand you have Paul and early followers BEING KILLED (not killing themselves or others) simply because they felt compelled to share something they claim to be were witnesses of (miracle of resurrection0. Paul and the others had no political gain, even their families disowned them. I fail to see any earthly gain for early believers in Jesus. Now, jihadist, I am not one, nor am I Middle Eastern, so I do not claim to know or understand them well. I can tell you from what I have read (have read both sides), they do indeed have an immediate gain in mind. They are fighting against U.S. policies and many jihadist also want Israel out of existence. Islam teaches to fight in defense of Muslims and promises reward, so yes, their faith gives them determination and adds motivation but they are not being killed because they claim to be eye witnesses to a miracle. In my estimation (could be wrong I am not a historian), I think the Christian crusades were more like the jihadist. The crusades were about trade, not about sharing a faith. The crusades hurt my heart deeply. I don't see any Scriptural support for Christians to participate, so I question whether they even knew the faith they claimed. Again, I thank you for your response, I think you are quick and sharp, so I ask you a second question: Put yourself in Paul's, place, why would you risk family, status (he was a Roman citizen and a Pharisee..so he was quite comfortable in his community), and life, to share a miracle? Do you think he actually saw something, or created a lie on the road to Damascus? I am grateful to learn your point of view. I pray that while we will not persuade eachother to abandon our belief, we will learn to understand, respect and live at peace with one another. Peace, joy and love to you.

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zen-says.livejournal.com

also they have not even see muhammad,,,, whereas the christians in the early century has seen paul who had "seen" jesus in a vision...

who has a greater faith?

From: (Anonymous)

An instant is much easier to live than an instant. Tortured or even just imprisoned, Muslim terrorists give up their positions. These Jesus followers never did over their lifetimes facing much worse. Who has greater faith?
Tim

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zen-says.livejournal.com

sure Tim, you do actually suffer much more than a jihadist or a suicide bomber, I totally agree,,,,

From: (Anonymous)

Are you asking who has greater faith (not that this is a competition) between early Christians and Muslims of today (early Muslims did see Mohammad right)? I'm not sure why that is relevant but consider this: early Christians were disowned by community, family and persecuted for their belief. They were radicals, and in peace stood up for their faith. Muslims of today live in a culture where Islam is the ideal, so it is easier (I think..but does it matter what I think?) to stick to those beliefs that are so ingrained and taught from early childhood. Christianity is different from other faiths, in that the Bible teaches there are no second generation believers. Every believer must have their own "damascus experience". Every believer has to have a specific time when the Holy Spirit changed they life and belief, and then be "witnesses" to that experience as well as witensses to what God does in their hearts daily (be peaceful witnesses.."be harmles as doves"..Jesus said). So I too, have not seen, yet I believe, not because I was brought up to believe, but because I have my "demascus experience". I know, that I know, who I was, and how God is changing my heart daily (He is giving me more love for people daily..really awesome).

From: (Anonymous)

there is no mention of these verses anwhere that I can see from you reading your posts. Is it because that kind of love is foregin to you? It was foregin to me also, until I asked Jesus to come into my life. Please take the time to ponder these passages.