Job 29-31

[wolfpurplemoon]

Job has decided that he deserves his punishment, and his rather gruesome afflictions, because he may have at some point not been quite nice enough to someone he was superior to.

And this is the best thing I've heard so far in Job: "The words of Job are ended." Does that mean something will actually happen now?

Comments

[morgian-le-faye.livejournal.com]

Jaron:

My parents haven't loved each other for fifteen years at least. My dad only stayed with my mother because of the kids. Ours was not a happy household. I wish my parents had divorced years ago. At the age of 13 I was able to see how upset my mom was. At age twenty-two, it's just gotten.

The problem here is your idea of immoral is completely different than mine. You're idea that your deity and your beliefs are the only moral things go against every fiber of my moral being. So no one can ever "win" this argument because we each see things differently. You believe everything is black and white and it's so simple when I believe that there are shades of grey. Many of you arguments about things that are moral I see as immoral and vice versa. That's not to say I support mindless theft and murder, I don't. But I do think it's immoral for two people who don't love each other any more to stay together for "the sake of their kids." The kids can see their parents don't love each other no matter how much the parents try to mask it. Kids are not stupid.

[jaronsjournal.livejournal.com]

Well, I don't know your exact situation, so I can't really give a perfect answer. But what made your parents so unhappy? Perhaps one or both was living in a fashion unpleasing to God? Wouldn't solving that problem be better than divorce? Surely finding a way to live happy would be preferable to divorce?

It's hard for me to judge when I don't know what's going on, but in my opinion God can heal any marriage, if the people involved truly desire to do it.

I do often see things in black and white, because I feel that often seeing things as gray means refraining from calling wrong what it truly is. There's too much pain that comes to the world when people don't own up to what is wrong, and try to rationalize sin.

I don't see marriage as something you commit to and then give up as soon as you stop feeling whatever warm fuzzy feelings you felt when you first got married. Surely love is more than a warm fuzzy feeling. Surely there is a certain responsibility and certain self-sacrifice that the love that pushes one to get married is supposed to involve.

[voodooskeleton.livejournal.com]

Every time I read your comments, I become more and more surprised that you can think these things are okay to say to someone.

[funkybomb.livejournal.com]

It most certainly is not hard for you to judge when you don't know what's going on--that's all you've done since you first started posting here.

[morgian-le-faye.livejournal.com]

I don't see how living in a way unpleasing to a deity would make my parents unhappy. And what is unpleasing to your deity? Every single person interprets the bible s differently that what you see as unpleasing and what one of my equally devout friends sees displeasing are completely different. So that problem does not help. Secondly, if god had wanted to heal this marriage, he wouldn't have allowed it to happen in the first place. My dad happens to be a sociopath. That is not something that cn magically be fixed and no drugs can fix it. The marriage was doomed from the start, but my mother didn't know that because she did not know my dad was a sociopath. tI'm not saying my dad is a bad person (and anyone who thinks that all sociopaths are bad people are completely wrong. Sociopath just means they cannot feel emotion). So to tell me that a deity can magically fix this is just insulting to my intelligence.

And yes, there is a certain responsibility and self-sacrifice to love. However, to sacrifice one's entire happiness because one's husband cannot and never will love her is too much of a sacrifice. To me, that sacrifice is more immoral than staying in the marriage because ultimately, it is a lack of respect to oneself. We cannot respect others until we learn to respect ourselves.

Regarding black and white, clearly your ideas of what's right and wrong are different from mine. They are also different from many of my devout Christian friends who do believe in the bible and that the bible is the word of god. This is not something we will ever agree on, and you can continue to argue it, but at this point, isn't it better to just let sleeping dogs lie? I am responding mainly because I thought I should make it clear that not all marriages are as fixable as you seem to think they are. However, I think I shall bow out now as we will continue to run circles and we will never see the other as correct.

I will say, I am confused as to why you continue to post on wolfpurplemoon's blog. As a guest here, I strive to be respectful. However, I am seeing less respect and more pushing of beliefs. I have yet to see anything constructive from your posts. They seem to bring up a point of how we don't read with a proper view and then attack some idea you don't like and attribute it to atheists. I find it sad that you find a need to preach to a group of people who do not believe your arguments and never will believe your arguments unless you come up with something we've never heard before. As it is, we could play a game of bingo with you responses.

I don't mean to come across as rude, and I apologize to wolfpurplemoon for all that I'm writing and saying on her blog. However, I think you really need to address if you are doing any good here.

[wolfpurplemoon]

Now this is a topic that is very close to home for me.

My parents separated when I was 10 and then Mum moved out with me and my brother about a year later.

In the years leading up to the separation it was incredibly upsetting to witness their progressively disintegrating relationship and that environment was not a place that children should be brought up in.

But 15 years on and Mum and Dad now have a amicable relationship and can be in the same room without screaming at each other and my brother and I are close to both of them.

So I totally agree that it is immoral to stay together for the sake of the kids. As long as the kids feel loved and wanted, divorce is definitely better for their sake.

[morgian-le-faye.livejournal.com]

A, I'm sorry about the super long reply up above. B, thank you. I've been meaning to ask for a while, could I add you to my personal friend's list?