wolfbiblemoon

Pretty abusive relationship if you ask me.

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leah-clayton.livejournal.com

definitely not, god never forces anyone into a relationship with him, He doesn't require our praise.

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Well not all people are forced into their relationships either.
The funny thing about god is, he doesn't "force" anyone to be in a relationship with him, but if you aren't, you burn in hell for eternity when you die.

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leah-clayton.livejournal.com

God doesnt send people to hell, we send ourselves to hell. i dont know man, im not trying to convince you to be a christian or anything, but all i can really say is that its a better life, to live for something thats bigger than me or you. I'm only 17, but god has changed my life, i've got a pretty crazy testimony.

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I was a christian until I was 15 and I have a pretty crazy testimony of my own. Next time you talk to god you should ask god why he decided to interrupt my otherwise normal teenage life with a painful disease. My life is much better off now without having a god that works in mysterious ways. Cruel, inefficient, mysterious ways.
I don't understand how you don't see how incredibly fucked up it is to say we send ourselves to hell, when god is the one who created it to begin with, with the only purpose of it being to house people who don't obey him. And I do live for something that's bigger than me or you, that thing being the earth and the cosmos. I'm pretty excited to live out the rest of my godless life with the pain your god gave me (or didn't because he doesn't exist) without worrying about what's going to happen to me after I die on top of that.

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leah-clayton.livejournal.com

I'm not trying to argue back and forth, its pointless. But how do you think the earth and cosmos got here? the big bang? i think not, a simple rule of physics is that you cant create something out of nothing, so there must be a creator. and god didnt make that disease happen to you, the earth was corrupted when Eve fell from grace.

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john-mark-karr.livejournal.com

worst argument.

GODS SUCH A BUFFED OUT COOL DUDE THAT HE JUST CREATED HIMSELF ONE DAY. there was just like....nothing. just pure white...and then before god existed...he went to the future and was like "I should totes go back in time and create myself, that shit will be tight, son"

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vequenor.livejournal.com

That is the most ontologically reidiculous thing I think I've ever read.

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john-mark-karr.livejournal.com

reidiculous indeed

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vequenor.livejournal.com

Typo noted. Thank you.

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First off, Eve wasn't real. Second off, there is nothing in Genesis to suggest that all the bad things that happen to us are a result of Eve eating from the tree of knowledge. When they ate from the tree of knowledge, women were cursed with painful childbirth and men were cursed to toil the earth. They weren't even banished from the garden of eden because they ate from the tree. They were actually banished because god was afraid they would eat from a second tree, the tree of life, which would grant them immortality. This story, much like the story of Babel, is a cautionary tale. Don't think for yourself, don't want more for humanity, or god will bitchslap your ass back to earth. It is basically an anti-science or anti-knowledge tale, which quite clearly says there are things that only god can know, and which you must never presume upon. Another important question is, why did god even create the two trees to begin with if he didn't want anybody to eat from them? How could humans be the ones to blame when they didn't even have the knowledge to know they were naked? How could humans be to blame when it's all part of god's divine plan anyway?
The Big Bang was the beginning of the universe as we know it. It was the beginning of the type of organization of matter and energy that we're familiar with. It was the beginning of time in the same way that 7:00 PM today was the beginning of the seven-o'clock-hour. It's an arbitrary start point we use to describe a specific era in our universe's history. But we have no reason to believe that all matter and energy was created in that moment; just that it transformed from one state into another state at that point. Previously, it has been a condensed little ball of mass and energy, and afterwards, it was all spreading out. But that's not what the creationists desribe at all. Their story has their god creating the world in a fairly specific order of events some 6.000 years ago (no matter how DESPERATELY they try to run away from that fact). The fact that there is a point in history which we can point to and say "there! There's what we choose to call the beginning of the universe!" does NOTHING to confirm the existence of their god. Even if they were right, and there WERE a god that was responsible for that event - and there is no reason whatsoever to believe that there was - it is far more likely that it would be some other god, with radically different traits, characteristics and motives than a bronze-age middle eastern tribal deity dreamed up and created in the image of a nomadic tribe of sheep herders. The two are entirely unrelated, and their efforts to time them together look, to any objective observer, like desperate acts of grasping at straws. Their own story doesn't hold up under any real scrutiny, and so they try to connect the bare bones of their story to somebody else's far more plausible story.
We aren't "created" from nothing. The big bang doesn't suggest that, but I would bore you to tears trying to describe it to you, especially since you don't want to listen to it anyway. It's pretty silly to try to argue with a "rule of physics" when you don't really understand the Big Bang at all.
And I think a very important question is, if something can't be created out of nothing, then who created god?

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Great rant, looks like you've got this one! :)

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Even if the Big Bang isn't the reason we are here, it sure makes a lot more sense than being created from the rib of a man who was created from the dust of the earth by a magical invisible sky daddy.

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And you're right, god didn't make my disease happen to me, because god doesn't exist. But it's all part of 'god's divine plan' anyway, so he knew it was coming and did nothing to stop it.
I am sick because of an unfortunate mix of genetics on my mom's side. It's stupid to pin it on my great great great x 1000000 grandmother who I've never met and probably never existed, or to pin it on god, who doesn't even exist. Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, and that's easier for me to accept than saying 'god did it' or 'it happened because eve ate from a tree'.

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I think it takes more faith to believe that te universe just appeared in the precise order it is in. The water cycle, the food chains, the human anotomy n how it works. Do u believed a building can make itself just appear? With all the electrical stuff n water stuff running as it shud? I don't think so son! Sum1 had to plan it build it! N like all builders, God loves his creation!

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I don't believe you think at all actually, you've just learnt a bunch of creationist arguments to spew out when needed. The world and universe seems perfect and made for us, because we evolved to fit the conditions that were in place. If there had been even the slightest changes to the laws of nature, then we wouldn't be here, simple really!

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Ur rite I don't think! I kno ;)
so It all evolved into perfection? ok I guess? Buh if it wuznt perfect when it all just appeared, then how did it start evolving if it cudnt be without it being how it is now?

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I'd hardly call us perfect, what with blind spots in our eyes and wisdom teeth, and useless appendixes, and male nipples.

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The best thing I have to say is this: Let's say that there's a one in one trillion chance that a planet will be arranged in such a way that it can support our type of life. Okay. Then all you're telling me is that there is 999, 999, 999, 999 planets out there that cannot support life. I will go you one further: I will say that there are a million times that many planets out there, given the number of galaxies, full of stars that we know are out there. Statistically, it's absurd to suggest that one of them wouldn't have ended up, by random chance, producing life. Not to mention the earth wasn't always capable of supporting human life. The reason why it CAN now support life is because of living systems which produced the chemical mixture in the air which we now enjoy and rely upon to live. To a certain extent, life created life. I also think that something that should be noted is that in its current state, only 15% of the earth can support human life. I'd like to share with you Douglas Adam's Parable of the Puddle, which goes like this: "...imagine a puddle waking up and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me reather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be all right, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him int it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."
Much like with the parable of the puddle, creationists like to imagine that the universe was created in such a way as to produce them. They don't seem to understand that it is instead that living things have gradually created ourselves in such a way as to best survive in the universe as it presently exists. We are a product of the state of universe, in the same way that a puddle is defined by the shape of the hollow in the ground that it resides in, but the universe was created in such a way as to produce us NO MORE than that hollow in the ground was created in order to contain a puddle which ends up pooling in it. We just ended up growing up in that oid as ar esult of unguided, natural processes, in such a way as that we took advantage of what happened to be there. While it is true that a universe with different laws would not have produced us, this observations i no more meaningful than saying that a perfectly level surface wouldn't have produced a puddle; in that situation there would be no "us" to make the observation, nor any puddle to notice the lack of a groove in the ground. If part of the universe were not suitable for life, we would not be here to think about it. There is nothing to rule out the poissibiity of multiple universes, most of which would be unsuitable for life. We happen to find ourselves in one where life is conveniently possible because we cannot very well be anywhere else.

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I love Douglas Adams' puddle, such a simple little thought experiment!

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'If there had been even the slightest changes to the laws of nature, then we wouldn't be here, simple really!'
this doesn't seem very simple if our planet is so unpredictable n the 'slightest change' cud've happened at ne time....unless there wuz sum1 looking after our planet to make sure absolutely nothing went wrong! That's God! Like he takes care of the earth he takes care the creation that he loves more than everything, us!

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You seem to be under the delusion that there is intent in the processes that lead to humans, but in reality they have no design, plan or end destination.

If there had been that slight change that prevented the evolution of humans or even of life on Earth, then we just wouldn't be here but that wouldn't mean that anything had gone wrong, just different.

And this God guy has a very strange way of showing his love from what I've been reading in the bible.

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...keep at wut ur doing I think itz awesome! I so admire ur discipline!
Seek and u will find :)

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When ur done reading the bible or when u can u shud read this book

One Heartbeat Away
By Mark Cahill

written by a former atheist. He talks about Gods existence. Quick read too

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You act like 'former atheist' is a selling point.

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I just heard this on the radio...
Gods love is not a pampering love it's a perfecting love...

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If there is no "design" or order in creation, then how did we come into existence?

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If there is design or order in creation, then how did God/the designer come into existence?

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I don't have a problem with the idea of God always being.

Again, if there is no God, how did we come into existence.

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Seriously? You have no problem with a complex all powerful being just bringing everything into existence on a whim, but have problems with the far simpler explanations already offered up the page by voodooskeleton.

Please try reading all the comments on this page first and then perhaps respond to the points up there if you still have questions.

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No, I have no problem with God bringing everything into existence on a whim.

The only thing voodooskeleton convinces me of is he is angry at God.

I didn't want to know what he thought. That is why I asked you.

Is it your response that the "big bang" created everything?

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I have no idea what you are trying to get at, but yes the scientific facts in physics, biology and chemistry explain how the universe was formed, how the Earth was formed, and subsequently how life on Earth developed and evolved and how we then evolved. And the big bang was the first step in that amazing process.

The wonders of our universe are far more amazing when explained by science than when explained by 'God did it'.

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For the argument then, lets leave God out of it.

What force or energy caused the "bang".

The theory defies logic.

That out of nothing energy sufficient enough to create the universe suddenly appeared where one moment before it didn't exist.

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If you're genuinely interested in learning about the science behind the big bang then there are plenty of popular science books that have been written on that topic. If you're just trying to make me somehow doubt the scientific evidence and theories around this topic then you're not going to succeed with your strange misunderstanding of the facts.

I'm not here to give a physics lecture, this blog is just about me reading & trying to understand the bible.

In fact, this post was about Psalms 140-145 and there wasn't even anything about creation until the little debate up there in the comments, if you have a perspective to offer on my interpretation of what the bible says then please offer it, I'm not going to be drawn into a debate about anything else.

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This discussion is important because the outlook or attitude you bring when reading scripture has everything to do with the interpretation.

If you are looking to disprove scripture and make fun of it, you will succeed.

If you are trying to find GOD in the writing, you may see God.

Most people look at the old testament writings and see an angry God. I see the opposite. How many times does the nation of Israel have to turn their backs on God for him to finally stop hearing them. - Never-

Look again at 2 Kings, chapter 22,verse 8. They had gotten so far from God that they no longer knew his ways. They found the "book of law" that they had long forgotten. They turned to him again.

What if you are wrong? What if God exists.

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