Proverbs 30-31

[wolfpurplemoon]

Here we have five questions that apparently show it is "absurd for a mere mortal to think that he can explain God’s work or compare himself to God" (annotation in a pro-Christian version of the bible):

Who has ascended into heaven, and then descended? Depends on your definition of heaven I guess, if it just means the sky (the heavens) then quite a lot of people have now been up and back from the air, and from space, a feat unthinkable in the time this was written.
Who has gathered up the winds in his fists? Meaning he has control over the forces of nature. Well, we may actually have managed that unintentionally through climate change, and even if we can't control them we know all the forces and processes behind the weather and volcanoes/earthquakes so we don't need to explain it all with God
Who has bound up the waters in his cloak? Again, we know the processes behind cloud development and we have the ability to cause a cloud to rain.
Who has established all the ends of the earth? Also, we know the processes that formed the Earth, so we don't need to explain it with God
What is his name, and what is his son’s name? I'm not sure what this proves, I don't know the names of most of the people on Earth, or their sons, but that doesn't make them God.

And apparently you can't add to or change the words of God, so all that stuff that noone follows anymore should be followed to the letter, it really is all or nothing with this scripture stuff, otherwise you are a liar.

I guess every generation since records began has been rebellious against their parents: There is a generation who curse their fathers and do not bless their mothers.

The rest of Proverb 30 is made up of various lists, we have things that a particular sage can't understand or finds so wondrous that they must be from God, and then some small but amazing things (apparently ants have no strength, in fact they can each carry many times their own body weight), and finally some magnificent animals, similar to a king with his army.

Apparently it is a good thing to give needy people strong drinks so they can forget their sorrows, but also speaking up on their behalf.

Now a list of virtues that are very hard to find in a woman, this woman sounds very independent (growing a vineyard from her own income) and respected in her community and she runs an efficient and loving household while her husband sits with the elders. It's not clear why she needs this husband of hers, especially as she is to get credit for her own work.

Looks like I made up for yesterday's entry!

Comments

Re: Interesting to read your thoughts

[wolfpurplemoon]

Well done for rolling out every single tired old creationist argument as if you just thought of it!

Re: Interesting to read your thoughts

[jeremy roeder (from livejournal.com)]

Lol. To be honest, my intention is not to argue. Ultimately your belief is your belief. The only sad thing is if what you believe is right then your good and set for eternity, however, if what the Bible states is true and very easily logically to believe and see, then you my friend have everything to lose. Where are you right now in your readings by the way?

Re: Interesting to read your thoughts

[wolfpurplemoon]

And then you bring out Pascal's Wager just like everyone else, is there some sort of handbook for debating non-believers that you guys all have?

Re: Interesting to read your thoughts

[jeremy roeder (from livejournal.com)]

And if I mayb ask you a question. Why is what I said an argument? I simply am asking you questions that you or anyone else that has zero belief in God can not answer. If you can, with all do respect, answer them, if not on here, then at least when your at home by yourself. Try to make sense of evolutuion. When I make reference to the watch in the bag, that is essentially what an atheist believes. The world just came to be some how through time..if a world can do it, then surely one can do it with a watch. Maybe I will check youtube for that..God bless you in your endeavors.

Re: Interesting to read your thoughts

[wolfpurplemoon]

An argument is just a position you take in a debate, I didn't mean that you were being argumentative.

The questions you ask are not original, and it's not that they can't be answered, because believe me they've been rebutted many times before, but they are questions based on misunderstanding and misrepresentation of science and its theories.